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Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By ctiger77
1/19/2022 3:41 pm
GG Gem City

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Smirt211
1/19/2022 4:19 pm
I'd play to the parameters of the game. The injury idea is a good one. You'd still have aggressive types whom would still try to push it (GDB, kababmaster, Michael77) but I'd stay the safe course knowing the aggressive route would fail.

The problem with playing the right way vs. not when you come down to it at the Conference Final and Finals level you won't lose to a kind person like trslick....you will get beat by a talkative meanie such as GDB or insert another bully.

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By raidergreg69
1/20/2022 11:07 am
ctiger77 wrote:
GG Gem City


Good game and good luck the rest of the season

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
1/20/2022 1:03 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
I'd play to the parameters of the game. The injury idea is a good one. You'd still have aggressive types whom would still try to push it (GDB, kababmaster, Michael77) but I'd stay the safe course knowing the aggressive route would fail.

The problem with playing the right way vs. not when you come down to it at the Conference Final and Finals level you won't lose to a kind person like trslick....you will get beat by a talkative meanie such as GDB or insert another bully.


My whole point is this:

I could have won more titles if I was willing to do whatever it took to win but I won enough playing it straight. I proved over the years that it was possible to win playing it straight (RB at RB, LB at LB, no punt blocks, no WR at CB etc..).

I knew all the exploits but was never interested in winning that way. That's why my leagues had custom rules. The majority of owners in every League and in MFN in general play thus game straight. The elite of the elite do whatever it takes to win and that's why certain owners win consistently across all leagues.

That's my personal choice, I never really enjoyed winning playing underweight players out of position or blocking a bunch of punts. With the exception of the now defunct "NO HOLDS BARRED" League and the newly created "DEATH & DESTRUCTION" league, I haven't used exploits which I clearly knew how to use in order to win more games.

If I play someone that does in the Conference Championship or Title game, I don't change how I play just to win. I have no problem losing a big game by playing it straight but I seriously would have a problem winning a big game by resorting to using exploits I'm don't feel comfortable using.

That is the reason I created those "NO RULES" leagues. It was a league where everyone was informed up front that exploits are gonna be used and allowed giving every owner the choice to join or not.

I'm not saying you Smirt are wrong or anyone else that uses weird exploits to win are wrong. I'm also not saying that I'm right for trying to play it straight. I'm not trying to say I'm better then you or anyone else that uses tricks in the code to win.

All I'm saying is using exploits isn't right for me!!! I get no enjoyment from winning that way!!! It's not for me!!! I used/use them in the "NO RULES" leagues to serve a purpose but it doesn't feel like winning in leagues where I play it straight.

Thr bottom line is version 4.6 was released because of all the success that those that used exploits to win achieved. JDB tried to fix these exploits and owners like Raymattison and theadmiral cheered it on because they never stood a chance in most 4.5 leagues.

Between Smirt & Grandadb they probably won 50% of the Championships across all the leagues in MFN in the past year or so. Smirt can win playing it straight and has proved that in this league but it other leagues where there are zero custom rules...nobody stands a chance unless Smirt gets the Death sim.

Version 4.6 is the backlash to all that success that Smirt, Grandadb and a few others had in version 4.5. Smirt was specifically targeted with hate in the general forums calling him a "cancer" based off punt blocks and other exploits. The hatred was based on him using exploits in leagues that had no custom rules. Smirt will follow any rules set but if there isn't a rule against it then Smirt will use it.

That's why Smirt is such a great owner. He can win any way but he always pushes everything to the limit. So know you have a vocal group that can't win in leagues win Smirt, Grandadb or the few other elites and they create or transition leagues using bleeding beta. This leagues using bleeding beta are more competitive because most owners in them had zero success in 4.5 while most owners who enjoyed the game left those boring leagues with broken passing.

Then we got the bogus poll in MFN-1 where 8 owners voted to make beta as it stands version 4.6

LET ME REPEAT THAT......8 OWNERS IN MFN-1 VOTED YES TO RELEASE BETA (AS IS) AS VERSION 4.6

That's 25% of the owners in the beta league who approved releasing this current garbage as version 4.6. This very vocal minority went on a forum campaign expounding on the virtues of 4.6 with these bullet points.

☆It fixed punt blocking
☆It fixed FL Hitch
☆It fixed the speed exploits
☆It fixed underweight players playing out of position
☆No need for custom rules

The problem with all these claims was it was based on a bunch of owners who failed to have consistent success in version 4.5 who then played version 4.6 in a small vacuum versus few to no elite owners and declared the new version "exploit proof".

The reality is so ironic it's not even funny!

Version 4.6 is so broken that only by using exploits can you find any consistent success. Speed and undersized players playing out of position isn't fixed at all. Speed still matters and the rushing game is nearly unstoppable.

Here is my rushing attack in the PFL league. It's 2 WR (198 lbs each), 1 RB (217 lbs), 1 QB (220 lbs) and 1 FB (243 lbs). The 2 underweight WRs are RB1 & RB3 are they don't just rush on the outside. RB1 goes right up the gut the majority of the time and you can see all their averages.



Beyond that, I'm using an all WR offense and all CB defense in the new no rules league (DEATH & DESTRUCTION) amd its all about speed. I have over 24 players with 90+ speed plus another 19 players with 80+ speed. There are still a bunch of players who will continue to lose weight giving me more +90 and +80 speed players before the mid-season.

A bunch of these players are what I call empty speed players especially on defense. That means that besides speed they have very little secondary attributes. It's still the preseason and too early to make definitive judgements but in my 3 preseason games I won with a combined score of 94-22. Those results are based on lower fatigue settings while play calling is still in the look and decide mode plus no rules.

That means that if I tighten up my players used and lock in my gameplan the results should improve. I didn't make my first defensive pick in the allocation draft until round 17 and still my defense is allowing 182 total net yards and 7 points per game.

Version 4.6 is broken and many exploits still exist but the biggest difference between 4.5 and 4.6 is you can't win playing it straight in the new version, at least not in leagues with any elite owners.

That's why I hate version 4.6!!!

The ironic part about the switch to 4.6 is this: the divide between the elite owners and everyday owners is even wider now.

Theadmiral who proclaimed how much 4.6 fixed will now come to hate 4.6 as he once again gets left in the dust. Of course, he can continue to enjoy success in his league of Legends because the majority of owners that have won titles in that league...no longer play in that league which has allowed him to finally win a Title! Good for him!

That's the difference between myself and theadmiral....I want what's best for the game while he wants what's best for theadmiral. My personal success has nothing to do with it.

I don't like version 4.6 but after 5 games testing it in theadmirals League of Legends then a miserable season of 9-7 in Big Data which was directly a result of my defense first allocation draft...I've figured out how to win in this new version. Ive gone 43-10 since including a 10-6 mark taking over a team in the TPM league that barely won a game in its first 2 seasons in existence. I haven't won a Title yet in version 4.6 but it will eventually come. I may be winning but my enjoyment level in doing so has dropped.

I'm more concerned with the amount of owners quitting due to version 4.6!!! I can have all the individual success I want but unless we have enough owners to keep leagues full then what's the point. I've watched many owners over the years have success in version 4.5 between putting up big stats or winning it all. I cheer when the new owner wins and it's not the usual suspects and 4.5 had those moments. The regular owner in version 4.6 isn't gonna find much enjoyment in version 4.6 and that is a problem.





Last edited at 1/20/2022 1:09 pm

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Smirt211
1/20/2022 1:13 pm
Reading through now.

A player just returned and apologized to me for when I got ran out of his league and mentioned that cancer thread. I can't believe the thread is still up. How is it still there? smh

That has fueled me a lot. PM Warriors working friends over on PM to run me out of the league/add a million rules to get me out.

ok reading through now...


Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Smirt211
1/20/2022 1:19 pm
Up to the Admiral part:

He cheats in terms of shutting down free agency for a full week so he can get to every team and protect them from any good player hitting free agency. (Victory/Legends)

Year I left in Legends FA had one non-age 30+ player of any value in the free agency pool - 1 player that could make a difference.
Last edited at 1/20/2022 1:20 pm

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
1/20/2022 1:31 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
Up to the Admiral part:

He cheats in terms of shutting down free agency for a full week so he can get to every team and protect them from any good player hitting free agency. (Victory/Legends)

Year I left in Legends FA had one non-age 30+ player of any value in the free agency pool - 1 player that could make a difference.


That doesn't bother me, if you have a full league with good owners you get the same or similar free agency. The problem with theadmiral is he thinks he knows how to win in version 4.6 but once the elite owners were forced to switch...he will drop to the middle where he always was.

He makes nonsense comments in the forums that make absolutely no logical sense....i.e....."you have to use long passing to open up the short passing game".....ridiculous to think you will get the safeties to play deeper because you called a bunch of long passes!

That's not how this game works, moron!!!

The simple fact that he even uses long passes shows how he can never win in any league with an elite owner.

Another thing he says "you have to use a variety of plays to have success"....really dude? You mean you can't use 1 play over and over?...thanks for the knowledge, I never would have used more than 1 or 2 plays without his input!!

About the only thing 4.6 fixed is the punt block while destroying the passing game in the process....Great trade off...thanks! There was nothing we could do about the punt block in 4.5.....they were out of control in every League.

The best is this "we don't need custom rules in 4.6"....really theadmiral, Big Data is already adding them but this idea that 4.6 is this exploit free version that just needs to tweak the passing game is BS!!

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Smirt211
1/20/2022 1:39 pm
Yeah, with my strategies, my 100% operational Death Star and a locked-in scouting focus I'd bury him in a game played between us in v4.6. He wouldn't know what hit him.

Things just got easier for him too as Warrior left Legends.

I remember those comments. Completely clueless. I wasn't going to correct him and provide any help to his game, you know. LOL

Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Blondie1977
1/20/2022 1:43 pm
I'm still kind of shocked by how many owners in XFL voted for 4.6 when you had the poll up, CJ. I get that it was a vote for parity, but, as you said and as many also said around that time, elite owners will figure out 4.6 and newer owners will be left in the dust.

Every week I look at available leagues and every week it seems like more teams are opening up and more leagues are folding.
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Re: 2038 season/good game thread

By Smirt211
1/20/2022 1:45 pm
It was a convergence of Ray and Admiral cheerleading alongside the custom weight positional rules guys like Ioanblood full throating how they want protection.

It got pushed through that way.
Last edited at 1/20/2022 1:45 pm