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Re: Max contract

By greyghost1225
5/11/2019 6:35 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
Yes, pretty much. nods

Team structures do strip away and it comes down to GM vs. GM and who can figure out the edge.

Caveat being from the past the loaded WR arsenal and what's always been the case and still holds true...a DB fortress.





I use to do that, but have started building different on defense in 4.5

Re: Max contract

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
5/11/2019 6:45 pm
I dont use rules like that. I wouldnt have any fun if I knew some way to beat the game. If I learned a way to always stop a run no matter what anyone did..... ot only would I send it to the bug box, and PM JDB but I would post it for everyone to see to level the playing field

All my rules are based on logic. Its like telling my coach if this situation happens....do this. If I had to resort to the things you mentioned to compete, I would quit the game.

I dont know any code hacks or specific ways to prevent a run or pass from working. Thats definately not the spirit I would play this game with.

Telling my team to go for it on 4th and 1 isnt an exploit, its a strategy.

I have zero rules on any of my teams that dont simply apply pure logic.

I hear what you are saying about owners that do that but it does offend me that Im lumped into that because Ive had some success.

I play this game as a FOOTBALL SIM, ive heard of an owner that can field a bunch of bums and beat anyone. To me that doesnt make him good at a football sim, that makes him good at finding ways to circumvent the system and exploit the game.

I use the exact same information everyone uses, I dont know any secrets or have any magic rules that shutdown my opponents.

My rules are about a specific situation, just like in real football, 1st and goal from the 3 yard line means you run a certain subset of plays. No real football coach would treat that scenario the same as any other situation without rules, thats what you get.

How is making a rule to run the ball more in the 4th quarter when you are up by over 10 points. Its not an exploit, its just smart football. Its called taking the air out of the ball.

How is making a rule to pass more when you trail in the 4th quarter by more then 10 points an exploit. Without that rule, the A.I. would take its sweat time running the ball while the clock keeps running without a care in the world.

This whole concept of a "code warrior" makes me laugh. If you only knew how little time and effort I actually spent gameplanning and scouting. I dont know any secret recipes or mind blowing hacks to trick the code into making me win games.

My playcalling consists of figuring out which plays average the highest yardage over a length of games and selecting them.

My scouting consists of figuring out which plays you use the most over a length of games and choosing the ones that work best.

No secrets, no special recipe, no code warrior stuff, just info you can call up by setting a couple pull down menus and hitting done.

Oh yeah plus my eight rules to handle how to handle certain situations on both offense and defense. Rules any head coach from pop warner on up should already know.

Sorry, but It really bothers me that having success in this game means you automatically are some hacker or code breaker that jobbing the game. Do those owners exist, maybe I guess but thats not me and I have won titles in this game without doing all that stuff so its definately possible to compete without doing all that stuff

Re: Max contract

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
5/11/2019 7:14 pm
Greyghost, Im not really upset at you because I understand your frustration when it comes to competing for a league Championship.

All I can tell you is I have no rules in place to stop specific plays from working. All my rules apply to in game scenarios and how my team reacts in those situations. The rules arent even rigid rules that if this happens do this play, they are if this happens use one of these plays.

You confuse me because you keep saying you only use 2 rules and have great defenses and regular season success but know you cant compete in the playoffs. I have 8 rules total and only 3 on defense.

A goalline defense rule

A prevent lite rule

A prevent rule

I cant see how my 6 additional rules would make it impossible for you to beat me for a title.

Re: Max contract

By greyghost1225
5/11/2019 7:15 pm
Whatever it takes for you to win. I will use this example, a person walks up to any person on the street and ask them if they vote, a majority of the time they will say yes. It is a proven fact that 5.2 people out of 10 vote, so half of them are not being truthful. I will never know 100 percent if you are a code warrior or not, just as I wouldn’t know which 5 people actually vote or not. If you say your not okay, it doesn’t change the way I look at the game. I personally have 5 leagues that I constantly change game plans for. I use 2 rules in all of those leagues, including this one in which I went 12-3-1 and lost in the playoffs. I lost 4 games this season, 3 of those to the same team. As I have said I am not throwing stones. If you don’t consider 8 rules a lot okay. In my world it is excessive and I will consistently lose to you in the playoffs, it doesn’t matter if I running offense or passing offense, You already have a rule in place to stop it regardless which season it is.

Re: Max contract

By greyghost1225
5/11/2019 7:17 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Greyghost, Im not really upset at you because I understand your frustration when it comes to competing for a league Championship.

All I can tell you is I have no rules in place to stop specific plays from working. All my rules apply to in game scenarios and how my team reacts in those situations. The rules arent even rigid rules that if this happens do this play, they are if this happens use one of these plays.

You confuse me because you keep saying you only use 2 rules and have great defenses and regular season success but know you cant compete in the playoffs. I have 8 rules total and only 3 on defense.

A goalline defense rule

A prevent lite rule

A prevent rule

I cant see how my 6 additional rules would make it impossible for you to beat me for a title.



Bud, if I am coming across upset please don’t think that. This is just a realization that I had over a year ago. I am good with it.

Re: Max contract

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
5/11/2019 7:32 pm
I dont have any rules to stop your offense on defense.


GOALLINE DEFENSE RULE
I have a goalline defense rule so my goalline defense is on the field when its 1st and goal from the 3. Maybe once in a while I will stop an opponent from scoring but regardless of this rule, Im usually given up some points.

PREVENT LITE
I use this rule when Im up by 8 or more in the 4th quarter. It simply limits blitzing and leans more on 2 to 3 man deep coversges to prevent quick strike scoring

PREVENT
I use this rule when leading by 15 or more in the 4th quarter. The object is to play deep coverage and allow you to complete passes underneath but keep everything in front of the defense to protect the big lead.

2 of those rules are only used when Im winning big late and the 3rd is simply to use the right formation during times when the opponent is scoring anyway. The object is to limit the opponent to 3 instead of 7.

None of these would prevent you from beating me. Again, I get your frustration but I have no reason to lie and I want you to know that its definately possible to win a title without all those rules you talk about.

Im 51 years old, have 11 kids and 10 grandkids, have worked for the government for the over 20 years after a stint in the Army during Desert Storm. I have no reason to lie and Im here to tell you I won 11 titles in around 35 chances without using any of those rules.

That means you can too

Re: Max contract

By greyghost1225
5/11/2019 7:44 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
I dont have any rules to stop your offense on defense.


GOALLINE DEFENSE RULE
I have a goalline defense rule so my goalline defense is on the field when its 1st and goal from the 3. Maybe once in a while I will stop an opponent from scoring but regardless of this rule, Im usually given up some points.

PREVENT LITE
I use this rule when Im up by 8 or more in the 4th quarter. It simply limits blitzing and leans more on 2 to 3 man deep coversges to prevent quick strike scoring

PREVENT
I use this rule when leading by 15 or more in the 4th quarter. The object is to play deep coverage and allow you to complete passes underneath but keep everything in front of the defense to protect the big lead.

2 of those rules are only used when Im winning big late and the 3rd is simply to use the right formation during times when the opponent is scoring anyway. The object is to limit the opponent to 3 instead of 7.

None of these would prevent you from beating me. Again, I get your frustration but I have no reason to lie and I want you to know that its definately possible to win a title without all those rules you talk about.

Im 51 years old, have 11 kids and 10 grandkids, have worked for the government for the over 20 years after a stint in the Army during Desert Storm. I have no reason to lie and Im here to tell you I won 11 titles in around 35 chances without using any of those rules.

That means you can too


As I have said, okay. As I have stated my championships are rebuilding the teams and getting them to the playoffs, which I have done many times, what happens there is anyone’s guess. I never meant any disrespect to any you or anyone else with statements, it was a general overall view of mfn. If the 4 or 5 owners that are currently winning a majority of championships in leagues that matter don’t use rules okay. I will sign off for awhile and thanks you for your service.

Re: Max contract

By raidergreg69
5/12/2019 4:35 am
Cjfred68 wrote:
greyghost1225 wrote:
Smirt211 wrote:
Great concept I am in it. I predict smirt will win the first smirt, but it still comes down whoever creates the best rules to beat the ai


Unfortunately, yeah, because this is what Beta (JDB/Seth/Ray) have reduced the game to. The majority of us including yourself are very competitive, we get mad and figure out ways to thrive. It's been tumbling block after tumbling block of taking away offensive plays which work while reducing the effectiveness of others. Truly to move the ball you have to dig in hard and really finagle it. Even then it's a struggle.

Take it back to v4.3 and with that code moving the ball was still viable without having to dive in and get infuriated enough to beat them.......the system.

:)

I wish it was v4.2 all over again with some DB enhancements to equalize the offensive/defensive playing field.




I appreciate your terminology with continuing to thrive. I have changed my weights and have different draft priorities, but still only use 2 rules like I always have. I will continue to make the playoffs with my game planning, but will always lose to the code warriors at the end of the day.


While Im quite flattered by being called a "code warrior" but I wouldnt know or understand code if you hit me with it. My gameplanning is simply trial and error with rules to solidify strategy so the A.I. doesnt make bone headed decisions. No different then a real football coach planning for any contingency.

My playcalling is throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Anyone can do what I do, there is no secret exploits Ive uncovered in the code, I wouldnt even know where to begin doing that. If a play works, I keep using it and if it doesnt I wont.



I'm still catching up on all this, but I was gonna say almost the exact thing. I use rules but they cover general situations, like 3rd and long, 3rd and medium, a rule just for 4 and 5 wide sets, etc.

Re: Max contract

By greyghost1225
5/12/2019 4:57 am
Lol, this conversation has gone a lot further than I wanted or expected. I made some general comments, it doesn’t matter to me how a person runs their team.