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Blondie1977
Re: New rule for next season
by Blondie1977 @ 10/14/2021 2:34 pm
At the end of the day, I would love to do the kind of roster management and in-depth gameplanning that the elite owners do, but I just don't have that kind of time between family and work. I feel I can get about an 45 minutes to an hour a day to game plan, etc. for three leagues I'm currently in. Sometimes I just don't have the time to go in-depth with rules against specific opponents, so I stick with my base offense and defense.
Last edited 10/14/2021 7:36 pm
VillagerChris
Re: New rule for next season
by VillagerChris @ 10/14/2021 2:53 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
It's not a new version that scares me and in a year, my teams will be running for 4,000 yards a season while my defense gives up 6 points a game!!

Then what???

We have to shut down the rushing game in 4.7!!!!

Yeah, Smirt can be an *** but he follows league rules to close off exploits and still wins!

4.5 has been out for 2 years and the same owners win over and over...there are no secrets left in version 4.5 so why haven't everybody caught up to Smirt, Setherick, Infinity, Grandadb or me???

There are no cheat codes or special buttons we can push...anyone can easily do what I do but they don't for whatever reason.

It all starts with player weights, if you don't have the proper weights, how are you gonna improve your roster and win??

I had no special knowledge when it comes to player weights but I adjust them about every 60 days based on observation and analysis.

I **** at stopping the run, hmm who is good at it.....ah he is so what players is he using.....oh these guys play defensive line....let me check their attributes....what do they have in common....oh run defense is 100 across the board....how about tackle and strength??? No they both are all over the place....so make run defense 100 for DL and lower tackle and strength to 10....oh all my dline ratings declined so let me check free agency....this guy's are high rated by new weights...let me sign them as a stopgap until the end of season, free agency and the draft why I can seriously improve my run defense.

That's a micro look of what I do for every single position!!! That's putting in the work to improve the talent on my roster even before we hit gameplanning.

I hate how my hard work disturbs others to the point they purposely destroy passing. It's a game but everyone won't ever be on the same level.

My point is this.....4.6 isn't about me....I will figure it out and I will win Titals with it....I look at the game on a broader scale because I create leagues and leagues can't exist without owners and if you are making versions to limit the elite owners....how good with the new or casual owner be???

If they are frustrated now because they throw for 300 yards but 3 INTs...how frustrated are they gonna be when the elite start figuring out 4.6 and they have made it even harder for them to compete?

Plus throwing for 200 yards a game simply isn't fun and quite honestly boring...seriously


I've never seen/read anyone having a problem with how you play CJ, I admit I don't read everything. I've said already that I'm simply addressing a behavior that turn people away from the game and/or to version 4.6. It's not about being good and winning games but how those games are won that I believe people have a problem with, not from you particularly but some players in general.

In the XFL I openly admitted a week ago or so that I don't like how smirt plays the game, but I also said in that same paragraph that I started to play more like him to see where it went. I also admitted at an average of 15 different plays a game, my planning was more egregious than his =). This was in response to your postings about the new 25 plays average per game you want.

The GM leagues you created were my favorite leagues, you try to make house rules to prevent these "exploits" or "code breakers" and I like that. Most of my rules in The Village are idnetical to those in GM. I'm simply saying the sentiment to move to 4.6 isn't just driven by players losing to a good GM who puts in the time to learn the game and respond effectively, it's driven by a stagnant game.. and exploits or bad code that hasn't been addressed and the players taking maximum advantage of said exploits etc.

Starting The Village has showed me that most players want easy, they don't want to spend time doing the things you mentioned above about the run defense, they simply DO NOT want to spend thats kind of time and dedication. They want to draft, set it and forget it until the next offseason, basically. I've spent the last week reading through a lot of what is going on and one thing is clear. The limited play selection of 4.5 and the willingness of some to take advantage of things that others would say are bad sportsmanship is a major reason why 4.6 has any support at all.

I did not want to change to 4.6

I also don't agree that the only or primary reason the developer is making this change is to accomodate a few players and their dreams of MFN dominance. There has to be more to it than that. Unless these few players are buying a few hundered dollars worth of credits every month.. that may be a reason HA
Last edited 10/14/2021 7:56 pm
Cjfred68
Re: New rule for next season
by Cjfred68 @ 10/14/2021 2:59 pm
Blondie1977 wrote:
At the end of the day, I would love to do the kind of roster management and in-depth gameplanning that the elite owners do, but I just don't have that kind of time between family and work. I feel I can get about an 45 minutes to an hour a day to game plan, etc. for three leagues I'm currently in. Sometimes I just don't have the time to go in-depth with rules against specific opponents, so I stick with my base offense and defense.


Dude,

I am right there with you, an hour a day over 2 years plus maybe a couple more hours on the weekend.

4.5 has been out 2 years (real time) and I know I haven't fully mastered it especially on defense.

It's a slow process figuring it all out but like I said, anyone can do what I do. I'm not special in any way. I have no idea how to code or what it even looks like...I've play sport Sims and RPGs my whole life (I'm 53). I work and have 11 kids and 15 grandkids so any time I get on MFN is an escape for real!

I look at stats, rosters and player attributes and make assumptions then change my player weights and see what happens...trial and error over and over.

Same goes for gameplanning, trial and error...see what works and what doesn't but it all goes hand in hand...make a change to my oline player weights and resort depth then maybe a play that didn't work in the.past is given another shot.

You have to be patient and not make radical changes every game...New ideas need space to see if they work but wait too long and you lose 3 straight. Preseason is the perfect time to use new plays
VillagerChris
Re: New rule for next season
by VillagerChris @ 10/14/2021 3:07 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Blondie1977 wrote:
At the end of the day, I would love to do the kind of roster management and in-depth gameplanning that the elite owners do, but I just don't have that kind of time between family and work. I feel I can get about an 45 minutes to an hour a day to game plan, etc. for three leagues I'm currently in. Sometimes I just don't have the time to go in-depth with rules against specific opponents, so I stick with my base offense and defense.


Dude,

I am right there with you, an hour a day over 2 years plus maybe a couple more hours on the weekend.

4.5 has been out 2 years (real time) and I know I haven't fully mastered it especially on defense.

It's a slow process figuring it all out but like I said, anyone can do what I do. I'm not special in any way. I have no idea how to code or what it even looks like...I've play sport Sims and RPGs my whole life (I'm 53). I work and have 11 kids and 15 grandkids so any time I get on MFN is an escape for real!

I look at stats, rosters and player attributes and make assumptions then change my player weights and see what happens...trial and error over and over.

Same goes for gameplanning, trial and error...see what works and what doesn't but it all goes hand in hand...make a change to my oline player weights and resort depth then maybe a play that didn't work in the.past is given another shot.

You have to be patient and not make radical changes every game...New ideas need space to see if they work but wait too long and you lose 3 straight. Preseason is the perfect time to use new plays

I go through peoples game logs, I see the plays they call vs the defense called against them. i wrote down a long list of plays that were called and I started from there. In the beginning I had around 30 plays offensively and I started cutting them a few at a time every 4 games or so. I also pay attention to my roster in regards to plays called. If my RT is bad at run blocking I don't call any off tackle runs to the right side etc. Its basic football but most people don't want to take that time to set this up.

My defenses are ran exclusively by rules. If I do anything well in this game its playing defense lol
Smirt211
Re: New rule for next season
by Smirt211 @ 10/14/2021 3:14 pm
Here's the true issue, funneled right down to the crux of it.

Ray (major influencer) has a significant impact on our fates, even more so with Seth on the outside and Ray does not have a passion for the game or an attachment to any league.

He comes, goes and never gets invested in a league. We're like a snow globe experiment he loves to toy with, shake up and then go back to MFN-1 to muck it up some more for us - the true players.
Cjfred68
Re: New rule for next season
by Cjfred68 @ 10/14/2021 3:16 pm
Please don't blame any owners for people leaving this game....anyone can achieve the level of success the elite owners have but the real issue its been 2 years since the last version release and JDB hasn't made changes in BETA in 10 months.

He has been an absentee game developer for a long time now. It's a side project and he has a real job but the game has suffered.

So yes we need a new version but releasing a new version that clearly is broken also isn't the answer.

If he is releasing this garbage and hasn't tweeked in 10 months....how long before 4.7 comes out.

It's not even a lateral move...it's backwards and makes no sense. This will result in more lost owners as even more leagues fold.
VillagerChris
Re: New rule for next season
by VillagerChris @ 10/14/2021 3:32 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Please don't blame any owners for people leaving this game....anyone can achieve the level of success the elite owners have but the real issue its been 2 years since the last version release and JDB hasn't made changes in BETA in 10 months.

He has been an absentee game developer for a long time now. It's a side project and he has a real job but the game has suffered.

So yes we need a new version but releasing a new version that clearly is broken also isn't the answer.

If he is releasing this garbage and hasn't tweeked in 10 months....how long before 4.7 comes out.

It's not even a lateral move...it's backwards and makes no sense. This will result in more lost owners as even more leagues fold.

I'm not blaming any particular owner but a variety of behaviors attributed to a number of owners. I've read the stuff in Community and General, I know what is says but it's obviuous my overall point isn't really being heard and that's ok. The result speaks for itself. An absentee Dev, no changes in 2 years to 4.5, no changes to beta in 10 months but suddenly witha declining player base in the middle of football season we have this sudden change, were going to 4.6
Last edited 10/14/2021 8:34 pm
Smirt211
Re: New rule for next season
by Smirt211 @ 10/14/2021 3:38 pm
JDB and the 3 Lieutenants are running the show and = the power base.

I've got no power but to dig in and try not to transform from Hollywood Hulk Hogan to Terry Bollea jobbing for a Vince Russo led regime. :)
Last edited 10/14/2021 8:39 pm
Blondie1977
Re: New rule for next season
by Blondie1977 @ 10/14/2021 3:41 pm
Yup my defense is all rules too. I usually just using scouring to see my opponent’s tendencies. If I have time I try and look at his last 1-2 game logs.
Smirt211
Re: New rule for next season
by Smirt211 @ 10/14/2021 3:44 pm
Last I checked there was a dominator or two (mostly from the MFN-# leagues) and I believe one of them was the one who wrote a PM clowning me when he beat my new team pick-up in NCAA....

but there's a dominator or two out there who don't even have d rules vs. 4 and 5 wide, pass key.

Yes, I am sensitive and find a nugget Michael Jordan style competitive, which is a bad combo. lol
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