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Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Blondie1977
2/21/2022 1:12 pm
Ah, I see it now. That makes sense. Still frustrating, but I can see what JDB's thought process is here.

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Smirt211
2/21/2022 1:16 pm
Yeah, give me headaches while cheerleader #3 decried to the world - 'smirt is merely good now!'

Probably the dumbest comment ever on the platform because IB only made me meaner and better lol

Um, yeah, JDB was knocking out the FL Hitch at all costs while making the zone defense more relevant but it's also made passing nearly impossible to achieve without wizardry and sorcery - bogging down and making the game boring. :(
Last edited at 2/21/2022 1:17 pm

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By dangalanti
2/21/2022 1:37 pm
Smirt211 wrote:

I think he got done in by 212 medium and long pass appearances like the PA streak. Therefore, what happened is when he needed 212 passing at the end of the game...MLB OLB Flat Zone was bolstered - he was pumped into negative familiarity and that was that.


Just opening this for Smirt or anybody else here. Lost a playoff game last night to a team running OLB Flat Zone as his *ONLY* defensive play. I had scouted that play (obviously), and also lost to him in regular season with the same strategy. Why would my team have negative familiarity with a play that I had faced approximately 120 times and scouted? Very frustrating.

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
2/21/2022 1:54 pm
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By dangalanti
2/21/2022 2:16 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp


That's what I usually do for play calling as well. Just annoyed that I knew he would use the same defensive play 100% of the time and my team's performance is still penalized. It didn't help that my coach overly called a short pass that sent the TEs into the zone where the LBs are floating so they could swat down all the passes. 13 win season down the drain.

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Blondie1977
2/21/2022 3:00 pm
dangalanti wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp


That's what I usually do for play calling as well. Just annoyed that I knew he would use the same defensive play 100% of the time and my team's performance is still penalized. It didn't help that my coach overly called a short pass that sent the TEs into the zone where the LBs are floating so they could swat down all the passes. 13 win season down the drain.


I don't think 4.6 helped you there either. I've come across owners in other leagues that do something similar (just run a Normal defense with Double LB Blitz and OLB Flat Zone set at 50/50 on all offensive formations). With passing being so nerfed in 4.6, it would make sense that a defense like that could stop even 3 WR formations. Owners probably wouldn't have been able to get away with a defensive game plan like that in 4.5.

Yes, I also don't pay attention to familiarity much either. I go by average per call like CJ.
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Re: 2039 off-season thread

By dangalanti
2/21/2022 3:14 pm
Blondie1977 wrote:
dangalanti wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp


That's what I usually do for play calling as well. Just annoyed that I knew he would use the same defensive play 100% of the time and my team's performance is still penalized. It didn't help that my coach overly called a short pass that sent the TEs into the zone where the LBs are floating so they could swat down all the passes. 13 win season down the drain.


I don't think 4.6 helped you there either. I've come across owners in other leagues that do something similar (just run a Normal defense with Double LB Blitz and OLB Flat Zone set at 50/50 on all offensive formations). With passing being so nerfed in 4.6, it would make sense that a defense like that could stop even 3 WR formations. Owners probably wouldn't have been able to get away with a defensive game plan like that in 4.5.

Yes, I also don't pay attention to familiarity much either. I go by average per call like CJ.


Right. It's not a "trick" since everyone (?) knows that's an elite defensive play, but it just seems the defense should be penalized/exploited for no variation. Just bitter because the team that lost is my "baby" and the one I'm most invested in for MFN.

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Blondie1977
2/21/2022 3:18 pm
dangalanti wrote:
Blondie1977 wrote:
dangalanti wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp


That's what I usually do for play calling as well. Just annoyed that I knew he would use the same defensive play 100% of the time and my team's performance is still penalized. It didn't help that my coach overly called a short pass that sent the TEs into the zone where the LBs are floating so they could swat down all the passes. 13 win season down the drain.


I don't think 4.6 helped you there either. I've come across owners in other leagues that do something similar (just run a Normal defense with Double LB Blitz and OLB Flat Zone set at 50/50 on all offensive formations). With passing being so nerfed in 4.6, it would make sense that a defense like that could stop even 3 WR formations. Owners probably wouldn't have been able to get away with a defensive game plan like that in 4.5.

Yes, I also don't pay attention to familiarity much either. I go by average per call like CJ.


Right. It's not a "trick" since everyone (?) knows that's an elite defensive play, but it just seems the defense should be penalized/exploited for no variation. Just bitter because the team that lost is my "baby" and the one I'm most invested in for MFN.


I completely agree. There needs to be something worked into the code that penalizes defensive play overuse. I'm not sure if there is (Smirt might know?).

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By dangalanti
2/21/2022 3:51 pm
Blondie1977 wrote:
dangalanti wrote:
Blondie1977 wrote:
dangalanti wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
Ignorance is bliss.

I'm too dumb to even know where to locate positive or negative play familiarity. I never give it a thought when calling plays on offense or defense.

I call plays based on avg per attempt...period. and if I haven't used the play in the last 32 games, I don't care what the familiarity is if I want to add it.

That's just me, Smirt is way better at game planning then myself


In other news....in real life

XFL reaches agreement with NFL for 2023 return. Link below if interested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-xfl-reach-an-agreement-football-world-reacts/amp


That's what I usually do for play calling as well. Just annoyed that I knew he would use the same defensive play 100% of the time and my team's performance is still penalized. It didn't help that my coach overly called a short pass that sent the TEs into the zone where the LBs are floating so they could swat down all the passes. 13 win season down the drain.


I don't think 4.6 helped you there either. I've come across owners in other leagues that do something similar (just run a Normal defense with Double LB Blitz and OLB Flat Zone set at 50/50 on all offensive formations). With passing being so nerfed in 4.6, it would make sense that a defense like that could stop even 3 WR formations. Owners probably wouldn't have been able to get away with a defensive game plan like that in 4.5.

Yes, I also don't pay attention to familiarity much either. I go by average per call like CJ.


Right. It's not a "trick" since everyone (?) knows that's an elite defensive play, but it just seems the defense should be penalized/exploited for no variation. Just bitter because the team that lost is my "baby" and the one I'm most invested in for MFN.


I completely agree. There needs to be something worked into the code that penalizes defensive play overuse. I'm not sure if there is (Smirt might know?).


Agree. I got burned for two long touchdowns on the same blitz call in the same game which is understandable, but I think people target that OLB zone because it *isn't* a blitz and never gets the overuse penalty.

Re: 2039 off-season thread

By Smirt211
2/21/2022 4:10 pm
dangalanti wrote:
Smirt211 wrote:

I think he got done in by 212 medium and long pass appearances like the PA streak. Therefore, what happened is when he needed 212 passing at the end of the game...MLB OLB Flat Zone was bolstered - he was pumped into negative familiarity and that was that.


Just opening this for Smirt or anybody else here. Lost a playoff game last night to a team running OLB Flat Zone as his *ONLY* defensive play. I had scouted that play (obviously), and also lost to him in regular season with the same strategy. Why would my team have negative familiarity with a play that I had faced approximately 120 times and scouted? Very frustrating.


Ray came at me in the Champions League with that approach and when I saw 4343 trying to get titles that way - I came at him (I devalue his success over and over) because he had nothing original and that was about as weak as you can get. ^ Above. That GM was scared of you and is scared to compete.

What happens is if you lean on the 212 PA FB Pass or come with a few 212 short passes early the engine locks in and halts it. Especially, if you're flinging at it just a random toss here or there throughout the game after it has determined to pass key lock and shut you down. It's a cowardly strategy. You have to beat it up with 212 runs or runs from sets that'll bring up the Flat Zone against it and then pick a section of the game to Braveheart it - like all 4 downs - kamikaze FL Hitch to break through and then settle back down into your normal game plan.

It's tricky. I believe over time I've always located pass plays from various sets that pick apart the two zone LBs since they have stationary positions. You can get routes that toy with them + running game. Never come out the gate firing passes vs. the all Flat Zone unless it's like the 2 RB/3 WR or 113 sets and you're certain of distinct advantages.
Last edited at 2/21/2022 4:13 pm