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Re: New rule for next season

By VillagerChris
10/14/2021 1:07 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
Let's compare stats in the NFL, 4.5 & 4.6. I used the last full season in my XFL LEAGUE for 4.5 and the last full season of LEAGUE OF LEGENDS for 4.6

This is the facts about both versions...the data which should be used to determine if a new version is ready for release. Does it improve the game?

The answers are right there! It destroys the passing game so amps up the rushing game to counter that! Now instead of record breaking passing stats, we get record breaking rush stats.

Defensively, they have doubled to tripled sack numbers but didn't counter blitzing with more chunk yardage plays...if fact they shut those down which makes passing worse.

Every league had the option to use either the current version or ask to use Beta. 3 leagues chose to switch to beta plus there is the MFN-1...45 leagues continued to use version 4.5

I have absolutely no idea why a vocal few (remember 8 votes yes in a poll in MFN-1) leads to everybody being forced to switch unless we jump through hoops to remain 4.5

What was wrong with the way things were? You could switch if you wanted but 45 public leagues and who knows how many private leagues chose not to switch. JDB hasn't changes anything in Beta since December so now we are stuck with 4.6 as the standard.


PASSING

Number of QBs with 4,000 yards and number of QBs with 30 TD passes

NFL 12 & 10
4.5 (XFL) 11 & 9
4.6 (LOL) 0 & 0

WINNER 4.5

RECEIVING

Number of WRs with 100 receptions
Number of WRs with 1,000 yards receiving

NFL 8 & 18
4.5 (XFL) 1 & 14
4.6 (LOL) 1 & 0

WINNER 4.5

RUSHING

Number of 1,000 yard rushers

NFL 9
4.5 (XFL) 9
4.6 (LOL) 15

WINNER 4.5

DEFENSE

Number of players with 100 tackles
Number of players with 10 sacks
Number of players with 5 interceptions

NFL 42, 11, 6
4.5 (XFL) 16, 0, 10
4.6 (LOL) 24, 29, 5

WINNER 4.6

TOTAL OFFENSE PASSING

1st ranked passing team
16th ranked passing team
32nd ranked passing team

NFL 313, 258, 182
4.5 (XFL) 349, 227, 138
4.6 (LOL) 239, 162, 83

WINNER 4.5

TOTAL OFFENSE RUSHING

1st ranked rushing team
16th ranked rushing team
32nd ranked rushing team

NFL 192, 112, 84
4.5 (XFL) 147, 93, 49
4.6 (LOL) 225, 113, 46

WINNER 4.6

TOTAL OFFENSE

1st ranked offense
16th ranked offense
32nd ranked offense

NFL 416, 370, 280
4.5 (XFL) 497, 334, 195
4.6 (LOL) 417, 272, 197

WINNER push

TOTAL PASSING DEFENSE

1st ranked passing team
16th ranked passing team
32nd ranked passing team

NFL 191, 238, 294
4.5 (XFL) 191, 233, 292
4.6 (LOL) 122, 163, 200

WINNER 4.5

TOTAL RUSHING DEFENSE

1st ranked rushing defense
16th ranked rushing defense
32nd ranked rushing defense

NFL 80.6, 116, 160
4.5 (XFL) 37, 94, 160
4.6 (LOL) 79, 119, 224

WINNER 4.6

TOTAL DEFENSE

1st ranked defense
16th ranked defense
32nd ranked defense

NFL 282, 358, 419
4.5 (XFL) 239, 304, 407
4.6 (LOL) 194, 274, 385

WINNER 4.5


CJ. I agree that this mandatory change shouldn't be happening and I've read all your stats and agree it seems like it's going backwards as far as stats in game.. I'm not supprting a move to 4.6. BUt it seems as though the changes in 4.6 directly address what a lot of people were complaining about as far as the use of a few passing plays for huge chucks, punt blocks etc.. so maybe to some degree it falls on the shoulders of the players who were using these tactics to an intolerable amount. Perhaps these same players should recognise this and NOT continue playing in that manner in future versions. Smirt has already stated that his mechanics are due to his anger at being singled out and copied/nerfed.. I expect he will continue to look for ways to attacj the code as he says.... the cycle will continue

Re: New rule for next season

By VillagerChris
10/14/2021 1:12 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
They do until they beat you and then they'll hit the board rubbing it in your face.

I'll continue to pick protecting myself.

Example: Villager Chris. I let go that post awhile back attacking my style of play but between now and then if you had beat me in the playoffs you'd be crowing and talking sh*t. Guaranteed.



I've never gloated over beating anyone and I don't think its a secret I don't like your mentality towards the game, it's not personal though,I just think its detrimental towards the game itself. I've never asked anyone how to beat anyone... I asked Cj and Warthog to teach me better offense and they offered but it was me who never followed up on it. If someone has a conversation with me about you specifically you have my permission to post it here. But there aren't any.

Re: New rule for next season

By Smirt211
10/14/2021 1:16 pm
Since he got pissy with me....all Warthog will teach you is how to fail with a 1-runner system. He's a chirpy one when he wins. lol

For the record, I went from Smirt's Smurf's to an entire different style of winning at the snap of a finger. I kept quiet and adjusted to each league rule.
Last edited at 10/14/2021 1:22 pm

Re: New rule for next season

By VillagerChris
10/14/2021 1:39 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
Since he got pissy with me....all Warthog will teach you is how to fail with a 1-runner system. He's a chirpy one when he wins. lol

For the record, I went from Smirt's Smurf's to an entire different style of winning at the snap of a finger. I kept quiet and adjusted to each league rule.


Being good at the game is not the problem. I've looked extensively at your game logs in XFL, it's the only league we share. At times I've seen the same play called 9 times in a row on the same offensive possession. That's not an exaggeration, 9 times. sometimes 15 plus times a game. Is this really what makes you the best? Identifying a few plays and running them a dozen or more times a game every game? Do you not understand that this way of playing is what leads to people supporting anything that doesn't allow this to happen?

It seems like you take everything personally, and then use that to justify playing in the manner that you do. I don't know all the history of the game and maybe you are right, maybe everyone is just picking on you and hawking your style, copying everything and then bragging when they beat you.. I dunno but I haven't seen that in the XFL and you do everything that CJ hasn't made a rule against.
Last edited at 10/14/2021 1:42 pm

Re: New rule for next season

By Smirt211
10/14/2021 1:42 pm
What makes me the best is I go deep level on everything. You're looking at surface stuff.

Hard work over many years.

You've made it your mission to rake me over the coals because you see 16-0's in your dreams and want to wig out at me to feel better. lol

What's your point?

ALL you're accomplishing is making me want to pound a VC led team deeper into the ground when I face you.
Last edited at 10/14/2021 1:45 pm

Re: New rule for next season

By VillagerChris
10/14/2021 1:49 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
What makes me the best is I go deep level on everything. You're looking at surface stuff.

Hard work over many years.

You've made it your mission to rake me over the coals because you see 16-0's in your dreams and want to wig out at me to feel better. lol

What's your point?


I think I've made my point a few times but you don't want to hear it. I can see it's getting under your skin a little bit cause we are devolving into making it personal and not really about the game or why this change is being made in the game. Nobody is wigging out, I've never complained about the code or anybody taking advantage of it. I think you like these battles that you have with people, the drama of it all. I think you like feeling like you are being attacked and that gives you the fuel you need to go harder. Good for you my dood.

Re: New rule for next season

By VillagerChris
10/14/2021 1:49 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
What makes me the best is I go deep level on everything. You're looking at surface stuff.

Hard work over many years.

You've made it your mission to rake me over the coals because you see 16-0's in your dreams and want to wig out at me to feel better. lol

What's your point?

ALL you're accomplishing is making me want to pound a VC led team deeper into the ground when I face you.


And you don't already? HAHA

Re: New rule for next season

By Smirt211
10/14/2021 1:50 pm
LOL

I'm going to now try to think of another angle based on this.

I get what you are saying, though, too.

Re: New rule for next season

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
10/14/2021 1:55 pm
I've spent years honing my passing game...I consistently lead every league I'm an owner in passing offense.

I have the ALLTIME passing leader in leagues with 20+ seasons of games. I'm not doing anything anyone else can't do themselves. I don't have a horseshoe up my *** and I promote custom rules in every league to close off exploits time and time again but still I succeed.

I've personally done more to fix the code through custom rules then the actual developer!!! I'm an open book and try to share my knowledge constantly but some get offended like I'm talking down to them or something.

The guy in the Village accusing me of doing some shady **** to win when he uses default ratings and has zero 90 speed players. That basic 4.5 knowledge, you need speed to succeed.

Beta was an option for any league to use and 3 leagues selected Beta

Re: New rule for next season

By Cjfred68 - League Admin
10/14/2021 2:20 pm
It's not a new version that scares me and in a year, my teams will be running for 4,000 yards a season while my defense gives up 6 points a game!!

Then what???

We have to shut down the rushing game in 4.7!!!!

Yeah, Smirt can be an *** but he follows league rules to close off exploits and still wins!

4.5 has been out for 2 years and the same owners win over and over...there are no secrets left in version 4.5 so why haven't everybody caught up to Smirt, Setherick, Infinity, Grandadb or me???

There are no cheat codes or special buttons we can push...anyone can easily do what I do but they don't for whatever reason.

It all starts with player weights, if you don't have the proper weights, how are you gonna improve your roster and win??

I had no special knowledge when it comes to player weights but I adjust them about every 60 days based on observation and analysis.

I **** at stopping the run, hmm who is good at it.....ah he is so what players is he using.....oh these guys play defensive line....let me check their attributes....what do they have in common....oh run defense is 100 across the board....how about tackle and strength??? No they both are all over the place....so make run defense 100 for DL and lower tackle and strength to 10....oh all my dline ratings declined so let me check free agency....this guy's are high rated by new weights...let me sign them as a stopgap until the end of season, free agency and the draft why I can seriously improve my run defense.

That's a micro look of what I do for every single position!!! That's putting in the work to improve the talent on my roster even before we hit gameplanning.

I hate how my hard work disturbs others to the point they purposely destroy passing. It's a game but everyone won't ever be on the same level.

My point is this.....4.6 isn't about me....I will figure it out and I will win Titals with it....I look at the game on a broader scale because I create leagues and leagues can't exist without owners and if you are making versions to limit the elite owners....how good with the new or casual owner be???

If they are frustrated now because they throw for 300 yards but 3 INTs...how frustrated are they gonna be when the elite start figuring out 4.6 and they have made it even harder for them to compete?

Plus throwing for 200 yards a game simply isn't fun and quite honestly boring...seriously